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Raymond S. G. Foster

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The Greenland Debate: Facts over Feelings

GREENLAND MATTERS
GREENLAND MATTERS

Greenland’s Strategic Crossroads: Why U.S. Control Matters and Greenlanders need to wake up to reality. I don't like having to say this one but facts are facts and I don't care who gets bent because of this.


Greenland is not a fringe concern—it’s a central node in Arctic geopolitics. Since the 1940s, U.S. administrations have recognized its strategic value, and recent years have seen renewed interest due to rising global competition.


The island sits near the GIUK gap, a critical choke point for NATO’s northern defense. Without US Funding, NATO also loose 80% of its overall economic stability, and if the US pulls out completely from defending Europe, it will frankly rip itself apart in a short time.


Aside from that, it also borders emerging trans-Arctic shipping lanes and holds vast reserves of rare earth minerals essential to Western energy and tech supply chains. Control over Greenland means control over future logistics, surveillance, and resource security in the Arctic.


China has made repeated attempts to gain influence—through mining investments, infrastructure proposals, and diplomatic overtures. Though some efforts were rolled back due to local resistance and geopolitical pushback, Beijing continues to expand its icebreaker fleet and Arctic presence. Denying this trajectory is not just naïve—it’s strategically reckless.


If the U.S. fails to secure Greenland, the consequences are clear:


Loss of Arctic dominance: Russia and China would gain leverage over Arctic routes, undermining NATO coordination and U.S. naval mobility.


Resource vulnerability: Greenland’s rare earths could fall under authoritarian control, threatening Western supply chains.


Freedom erosion: If Greenland were to align with China, its population could face surveillance, censorship, and loss of democratic protections. Unlike the U.S., China does not guarantee free speech, religious liberty, or due process. Greenlanders would risk trading autonomy for authoritarian oversight.


European fragmentation: Denmark’s hold on Greenland is weakening, and EU unity over Arctic policy is fragile. Without U.S. involvement, the region could become a battleground for competing interests.


Greenlanders want independence—but independence without strategic backing is a myth, and with a total population of 150,000, they wouldn't stand a chance to defend themselves from a Chinese, Russian and even potential Canadian invasion, especially given Canada's prime minister more or less yielding to the Chinese Communist Party.


The U.S. offers constitutional protections, economic investment, and military security. China offers control. The choice is existential and when stubbornness betrays blind arrogance and willful ignorance, in the realities of the world consequences become catastrophic which will force the U.S. to intervene for its own security.


This isn’t about conquest—it’s about safeguarding freedom, securing the Arctic, and preventing authoritarian expansion, and that also includes the necessity of securing the resources the enemies of the USA want to take hold of themselves. The time to act is now.


Common from someone willfully ignorant


"Uh, china was kicked outta Greenland 10 years ago. this explanation makes no sense. Seeing we and Denmark are in nato, and its a Denmark territory, all the orange man (President Trump) has or had to do is ask nicely to put another base up there, we already have a huge base there. Greenlanders don't want to be Americans.


Plus this violates the treaty we have with Denmark over the US Virgin Islands, I really wish people would do their own research and stop pasting news companies BS reports. Also of note America doesn't make anything anymore, tariffs are paid by the importee, not the country where its made, and this cost is passed on to the consumer. It's basically another tax. thanks for making stuff even more expensive again."


Clearly this individual hasn't done the research they are demanding.


Factual Rebuttal


🧭 Fact‑Based Counter + Fallacy Breakdown


🇨🇳 Claim: “China was kicked out of Greenland 10 years ago.”


Fact check:   China was not “kicked out.”


What actually happened is:


  • Chinese companies continued attempting to gain footholds in Greenland’s mining and infrastructure sectors well into the 2020s.

  • Greenland’s government and Denmark blocked specific Chinese acquisitions, especially in rare earths, due to U.S. and Danish pressure.

  • China-linked companies are still involved in legal disputes over mining rights as recently as 2025.

  • Greenland’s foreign minister in 2025 even discussed deepening cooperation with China, including a potential free trade agreement.


Fallacy:


  • False premise — asserting a historical event (“kicked out”) that never occurred.

  • Oversimplification — ignoring ongoing Chinese attempts and influence.


🇩🇰🇺🇸 Claim: We’re all in NATO so the U.S. can just ask nicely to put another base there.”


Fact check:


  • NATO membership does not give the U.S. automatic rights to build bases on another member’s territory.

  • Greenland is part of the Kingdom of Denmark, but it has self‑government and must approve major decisions.

  • The U.S. already has Thule Air Base, but expanding requires political negotiation with both Denmark and Greenland.


Fallacy:


  • Appeal to simplification — treating complex sovereignty and self‑rule as if NATO overrides them.

  • Non sequitur — NATO membership does not imply automatic military basing rights.


🇬🇱 Claim: “Greenlanders don’t want to be Americans.”


Fact check:


  • Greenlanders overwhelmingly support greater independence, not Danish control.

  • Polling shows mixed views on U.S. involvement; some political factions openly explore U.S. investment or strategic partnership.

  • Greenland’s government has repeatedly courted foreign partners, including China.


Fallacy:


  • Hasty generalization — claiming to speak for all Greenlanders without evidence.

  • False dichotomy — implying the only options are “be American” or “stay Danish,” ignoring independence movements.


🇻🇮 Claim: “This violates the treaty we have with Denmark over the U.S. Virgin Islands.”


Fact check:


  • No treaty prohibits the U.S. from negotiating for Greenland.

  • The 1917 treaty transferring the Virgin Islands contains no clause restricting future territorial negotiations.

  • Territorial purchases are governed by mutual agreement, not historical transfers.


Fallacy:


  • Invented legal constraint — citing a treaty that does not contain the claimed restriction.


🇺🇸 Claim: “America doesn’t make anything anymore.”


Fact check:


  • The U.S. remains the second‑largest manufacturing nation on Earth by output.

  • The U.S. leads in aerospace, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, defense, and high‑tech manufacturing.


Fallacy:


  • Hyperbolic assertion — contradicts measurable economic data.


💸 Claim: “Tariffs are paid by the importee, not the country where it’s made.”


Fact check:


  • Technically correct: tariffs are paid by the importer.

  • But the economic burden is shared:

    • Importers pass costs to consumers.

    • Exporting countries often lower prices to remain competitive.

    • Tariffs are used strategically to counter foreign subsidies or coercive trade practices.

Fallacy:


  • Half‑truth — stating one part of the mechanism while ignoring the rest of the economic impact.


🧾 Claim: “Thanks for making stuff even more expensive again.”


Fact check:


  • Tariff impact depends on:

    • supply chain structure

    • domestic alternatives

    • foreign price adjustments

  • In strategic sectors (rare earths, steel, defense), tariffs are used to reduce dependency on China, which is directly relevant to Greenland’s rare earth deposits.


Fallacy:


  • Post hoc fallacy — assuming tariffs automatically cause price increases without examining the specific market.


🧨 The Core Strategic Reality (Supported by the Search Results)


  • China has not been removed from Greenland; it continues to seek influence and investment.

  • The U.S. and Denmark have actively blocked Chinese acquisitions because they are strategically dangerous.

  • Greenland’s rare earths are a critical national security issue for the U.S.

  • Greenland’s government is still open to foreign partnerships, including China.


My Closing Statement


The argument collapses because it’s built on false premises, misinterpreted treaties, and an oversimplified understanding of geopolitics. The claims presented demonstrate a lack of factual grounding and rely heavily on personal assumptions rather than verifiable information. Before attempting to debate the topic, the commentator should establish a basic comprehension of the relevant history, legal frameworks, and strategic realities.

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