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Raymond Foster

High Elder Warlock

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ANGELS AND DEMONS

WHAT ANGEL AND DEMON REALLY MEANS


THE REALITY IS ANGEL AND DEMON ARE REALLY THE SAME THINGS

We often see it being pushed that Angels are good, Demons are evil and that is that. Saying or presenting anything contrary to that narrative is deemed "blasphemy or sacrilege." However, I am not one to shrink or shy away from such things, and only those that wish to continue keeping all others locked away in ignorance are those refusing to acknowledge the facts I shall provide a very clear and direct manner.


Here is the reality. Angel is often claimed to mean "messenger" and demon "evil spirit." It's all garbage, yet this, among many other things, is what we have been taught falsely for so long that it is nearly impossible to find any references to the contrary, at least when it comes to the word Angel. However, as twisted as it is, we are able to find the actual sources of the word Demon that counters the whole "evil spirit bit."


The word demon wasn't used in such a sense in various religious texts till after the 15th century CE. Before that, 'demon' was only used once in reference to 'wild creatures' associated with deserted places. Otherwise, the word devil pr devils in the plural were used; and even then, was not a proper name or identity holding the simple meaning of outcast. So, let's just get to the actual etymology.  


Angel


The term angel comes from the Greek roots:


  • An- ("without, lacking").

  • Gelos ("cheer, laughter, yell").


Rather than signifying benevolent beings of light, the word originally implied stern seriousness, evoking discomfort and even fear. The presence of angels in ancient narratives often induced panic or terror, rather than offering reassurance or joy. The evolution of this term is also linked to gēola, which developed into Yule—a festival associated with communal cheer and celebration—highlighting the linguistic shift over time.


Demon


The word demon originates from:


  • Dae ("shine").

  • Monos ("one").


In its earliest form, demons were shining celestial entities, associated with sources of light such as the Sun, Moon, stars, fire, and lightning. Their connection to divinity was similar to that of the Devas (male) and Devis (female) in Indian tradition.


Additionally, the root Dei/Dae aligns with daylight terms such as Dag (day) and Dagan (days), reinforcing their positive, luminous nature rather than the later association with evil.


Devil: A Term for the Outcast


The word devil evolved from multiple linguistic variations, including:


  • Dēofol, Dafval, Diufal, Deuvil, and Devel.


It shares origins with offal and evil, referring to discarded scraps, waste products, or things fallen away. The prefix De-, Te-, or Thi- was commonly used to indicate "the-", making its meaning "the fallen"—not necessarily in a moral sense but as castaways, outcasts, or forgotten individuals.


Historically, devil was also a term of sympathy, seen in phrases such as "poor devil" or "silly devil," implying a misfit rather than a malevolent force. Its connection to the Greek diablos ("thrown across") influenced later associations with an adversarial figure.


Meanwhile, native equivalents such as utlog (outlaw) and utkast (outcast) further reinforce the original meaning—an exiled figure rather than an embodiment of pure evil.


Demonology: The Study of Divine and Spiritual Entities


Historically, demonology was not merely concerned with malevolent spirits. Instead, it was the study of all supernatural entities, including angelic beings.


In ancient Greek thought:


  • Both angels and demons could be benevolent, indifferent, or malevolent.

  • Demons were considered deities of secondary power.

  • The prefix Demi- was used to describe semi-divine beings, including half-human figures.


Angels, rather than being a distinct species, were originally a specific class of demons—a concept that contradicts many modern theological assumptions.


The Medieval Reinvention of Angelic Hierarchies


The structured angelic orders commonly referenced today—such as seraphim, cherubim, and archangels—are largely medieval inventions.


The theological development began:


  • In the 6th century CE, with Dionysius the Areopagite introducing hierarchical classifications.

  • In the 13th century, with Thomas Aquinas expanding these concepts.


Before these interpretations, the distinction between demonology and angelology did not exist. It wasn’t until 1663 that Gideon Harvey first used the term "Angelology."


Originally, the word demon referred to old deities rather than explicitly evil beings. The medieval attempt to systematize celestial orders resulted in a nine-tiered hierarchy, aligned with Trinitarian thought, though the reasoning behind these classifications remains unclear.


Alternative Interpretations and Forgotten Orders


In some traditions, The One God is understood as the All-Father, the creator of everything. Similarly, the Three Goddesses represent natural forces and creation. When considering the hierarchy of supernatural entities:


  • The nine orders align with these foundational divine figures.

  • Alternative interpretations allow for more nuanced roles among these beings.

  • Not all orders were originally called "angels"—this was a later misclassification.


Conclusion: Lost Meanings and Linguistic Evolution


Over centuries, theological shifts and cultural reinterpretations have transformed the meanings behind angels, demons, and devils.


Originally:


  • Angels were beings whose presence evoked fear and seriousness, not joy.

  • Demons were shining celestial entities, akin to divine figures rather than embodiments of evil.

  • Devils were castaways and outcasts, rather than figures of absolute malevolence.


The structured angelic hierarchies and classifications commonly accepted today are largely later inventions, shaped by medieval scholars rather than foundational religious texts.


These linguistic and historical distortions illustrate how ideas about divinity, supernatural forces, and spiritual beings have evolved—sometimes in ways that contradict their original meanings.


Yes, they have male or female genders


Contrary to later theological claims that spiritual entities are androgynous, ancient texts and traditions consistently depict them as having distinct male or female genders. Just like humans and other earthly beings, these supernatural entities were understood to possess biological and gendered traits, often reflected in their appearances, roles, and interactions with the mortal world.


The assertion that spiritual beings are "pure intellects" without gender is misleading and lacks historical basis. Many accounts describe their varied forms and species, reinforcing their diversity beyond the genderless constructs imposed by later interpretations.


The Origins of the Androgyny Claim


The shift toward depicting divine beings as genderless emerged primarily during the medieval period, influenced by theological efforts to separate holiness from physicality—particularly sexuality.


This doctrine was rooted in several factors:


  • Theological Fear of Sexuality – Sexual acts, even within marriage, became increasingly associated with sin in some traditions, leading to an avoidance of gender distinctions in divine beings.

  • Imposed Celibacy for Clergy – The insistence that priests remain celibate reinforced the idea that true holiness necessitated abstention from physical desires and gendered identity.

  • Distorted Views of "Gloried Bodies" – While many traditions spoke of immortal bodies free from sickness and decay, these bodies were originally understood as retaining their natural gender from birth.


Erasure of Gender in Divinity


Over time, religious traditions stripped divine beings—including God—of gendered attributes, ascribing an abstract, perfectionist ideology that removed personal or relational characteristics. In doing so, entire aspects of historical religious narratives were altered or suppressed, including references to God’s wives, familial structures, and divine relationships.


Ancient Accounts of Gendered Supernatural Beings


Across cultures, supernatural beings were encountered as either male or female, with clear distinctions:


  • Angels and Messengers – Often described with masculine attributes in Abrahamic traditions and depicted in warrior-like roles.

  • Goddesses and Female Deities – Recognized for nurturing, protective, or vengeful qualities.

  • Spirits and Wights – Seen as embodied beings with visible traits and defined genders in folklore.


The medieval inclination to neutralize gender in spiritual beings was not derived from earlier traditions—it was a deliberate departure from existing beliefs.


Impact of Gender-Neutral Ideology on Religious Structures


By eliminating gender distinctions in divine entities:


  • Celibacy was enforced as a path to holiness.

  • Priests were expected to suppress personal identity, treating their own gender as irrelevant.

  • Historical traditions about divine relationships were erased or dismissed.


This shift contributed to rigid theological perspectives, distancing spiritual entities from real-world human experience and diminishing the complexity of divine relationships found in early religious systems.


Conclusion: Restoring the Truth About Supernatural Gender


Supernatural beings, whether angels, deities, or spirits, were traditionally understood as gendered entities, reflecting natural distinctions rather than artificial neutrality. The claim that they are without gender stems from medieval distortions, influenced by fears of sexuality, celibacy enforcement, and perfectionist ideologies.


Restoring the historical understanding of gendered spiritual beings provides a more authentic interpretation, aligning with ancient texts and cultural traditions rather than later imposed fictions. These beings were not merely abstract forces—they embodied specific identities, genders, and characteristics, just as all living forms do.


The Divine Orders and the One and Three


God the All-Father


At the highest point of divine authority sits God the All-Father, the supreme creator and architect of existence. He is the origin of all creation, including the Nine Divine Orders, each of which serves a distinct function in the cosmic balance.


Great Mother Goddess 1: The Pillar of Authority and Stability


The First Mother Goddess represents the foundation of order and governance, overseeing divine hierarchy and maintaining cosmic stability. Her influence extends to the three seated orders that structure divine and mortal power.


Thrones – Emperors of the Divine Realm


  • Represent supreme authority, sitting closest to the All-Father as his direct pillars of stability.

  • Often depicted as regal, seated figures, mirroring the grandeur of emperors and rulers.

  • Their presence signifies unshakable order and unquestioned command, serving as anchors for divine law.

  • In many traditions, Thrones are linked to great celestial wheels, reinforcing their role in maintaining balance within creation.


Dominions – The Kingly Overseers


  • Positioned as middle-tier deities, governing the administrative workings of divine forces.

  • Frequently represented as king-like figures, overseeing broad territories of influence.

  • Serve as intermediaries between higher celestial beings and lower entities, helping maintain divine law across realms.

  • While Thrones set divine laws, Dominions enforce and interpret them, ensuring alignment within cosmic authority.


Principalities – Guardians of Nations and Cities


  • Associated with rulers of specific locations, including cities, towns, and regions.

  • Often depicted as princely figures, directly involved in the governance of human civilizations.

  • Principalities act as divine patrons of specific communities, watching over leaders, cultural developments, and societal evolution.

  • They ensure that human institutions operate in accordance with divine principles, sometimes intervening in times of crisis or transformation.


While their interventions may be imperceptible to most, their presence is often recognized during times of upheaval, when nations experience great transformations in leadership, ideology, or governance.


Great Mother Goddess 2: The Force of Creation and Transformation


The Second Mother Goddess governs forces of transformation, fire, and wisdom, shaping the fluid motion of divine energy. Her influence extends to three dynamic orders, which embody the aspects of creation, knowledge, and guidance.


Seraphim – The Fiery Ones


  • Their name originates from "burning" or "fiery beings," emphasizing their intense energy and divine radiance.

  • Often linked to winged serpents and dragons, representing raw power and purification.

  • Seraphim guard the presence of divine flames, ensuring that creation remains untainted and pure.

  • Their association with fire suggests the destruction of corruption, transformation, and renewal.


Virtues – Keepers of Worship and Wisdom


  • Often depicted in wizard-like or elder forms, serving as spiritual guides and keepers of sacred rites.

  • Their role connects deeply with divine worship, ceremony, and sacred wisdom, ensuring that the practice of faith remains undistorted.

  • Virtues provide miraculous gifts and divine inspiration, aiding those who seek spiritual enlightenment and growth.

  • Many cultures revere Virtues as embodiments of sacred blessings, channeling divine influence into ritual, prophecy, and moral guidance.


Angels – Messengers and Guardians


  • Frequently assumed to be purely messengers, but their true role extends to foot soldiers of the divine realm.

  • Carry out temporary missions, including the protection of people, places, and events.

  • Angels are task-oriented beings, often deployed when specific interventions are needed.

  • Their transient assignments differentiate them from more permanent guardian beings, such as Principalities or Powers.


These orders operate through symbols, sacred teachings, and personal experiences, ensuring individuals align with divine intent.


Great Mother Goddess 3: The Force of Strength and Natural Power


The Third Mother Goddess embodies strength, primal forces, and cosmic power, governing the energetic and protective realms of existence. Her influence extends to three orders that serve as guardians and enforcers of nature's divine law.


Cherubim – The Carriers


  • Their name originates from kara-, meaning "to carry", which evolved into words like cart and car.

  • Historically, Cherubim were depicted as sphinx-like beings, symbolic of guardianship and sacred transport.

  • Often tasked with protecting divine artifacts and knowledge, ensuring that sacred wisdom remains safeguarded.

  • They act as mystical conduits, transferring divine messages and objects between realms.


Powers – The Forces of Nature


  • Represent the untamed forces of the cosmos, including storms, earthquakes, and elemental upheaval.

  • Typically depicted as giant beings, embodying raw physical might and natural authority.

  • Powers exist to maintain cosmic balance, preventing chaos from overtaking divine creation.

  • Their influence extends to natural disasters and environmental shifts, often perceived as manifestations of divine will.


Archangels – Leaders of Divine Armies


  • Serve as commanders, leading legions of divine beings into battle when necessary.

  • More military in nature than messengers, tasked with executing divine orders on a large scale.

  • Often depicted as knights, representing disciplined authority and tactical strategy in spiritual conflicts.

  • Archangels enforce divine justice, acting as generals who coordinate supernatural interventions.


Their impact is often witnessed in natural and historical turning points, where the preservation of balance is necessary.


Rather than viewing the Nine Divine Orders as purely angelic beings, their connection to the One God and the Three Goddesses suggests they serve a broader purpose. Their roles go beyond medieval classifications, offering a glimpse into ancient understandings of divine balance, transformation, and wisdom.


Instead of viewing the Nine Orders as angelic figures locked into theological hierarchy, understanding their broader divine purpose allows us to see them as essential forces shaping creation and existence. Their connection to the One God and the Three Goddesses highlights their ancient origins, revealing that they work in concert with natural, spiritual, and cosmic forces, rather than existing solely as messengers or warriors.


The Nine Divine Orders represent a broad spectrum of cosmic roles, governing balance, transformation, wisdom, and protection in both the divine and material realms. Their connection to the One God and the Three Goddesses establishes a spiritual framework that goes beyond medieval classifications. While all nine orders serve essential functions, only two—Angels and Archangels—are correctly identified as "angels" in the traditional sense.


The remaining seven orders fulfill distinct roles that do not align with the messenger-based definition of angels. Some govern natural forces, others oversee divine law, and some act as guardians of sacred knowledge. Across different cultures, these beings appear under varied names and representations, reinforcing their presence as universal forces rather than narrowly defined angelic figures.'


Their influence manifests in governance, transformation, protection, and celestial intervention, ensuring cosmic balance. Rather than rigidly adhering to medieval structures, recognizing their diverse roles and origins allows for a deeper understanding of divine operations beyond conventional theology.


The Terrifying Nature of Divine Beings


Rather than appearing as peaceful figures, many ranks within the Nine Divine Orders have historically been described in ways that evoke shock, fear, and reverence. Their forms and actions tend to disrupt the mortal realm, emphasizing divine authority and absolute power.


  • Thrones are described as massive, incomprehensible structures, often depicted as great celestial wheels covered in eyes, radiating an overpowering presence. However, if we consider the beings sitting upon those thrones, then it is also a reference to higher deities closer to the One and Three.

  • Seraphim, known as the "Burning Ones," embody flames so intense they consume all impurities, making their mere presence unbearable to witness.

  • Cherubim, rather than childlike figures, are often described as multi-faced beings with interwoven wings, evoking mystery and unease.

  • Powers, associated with natural forces, can manifest as giant entities responsible for storms, earthquakes, and cosmic shifts, terrifying those who witness their influence.

  • Archangels, as divine generals, are frequently depicted as warrior-commanders, leading legions into battle with unstoppable might.


Even the lower orders within the hierarchy—like Angels—were historically not gentle messengers but imposing guardians and enforcers of divine will. Many accounts describe interactions with these beings as overwhelming and deeply unsettling, emphasizing their supernatural strength rather than human-like kindness.


Their Corporeal Nature


Throughout history, divine beings within the Nine Orders have rarely been depicted as intangible, floating spirits. Instead, they were described as physical entities with flawless, perfected bodies—often referred to as glorified bodies, meaning incorruptible, free of illness, and immortal. This portrayal emphasized their tangible presence, distinguishing them from disembodied forces such as ghosts or abstract energies.


Glorified Bodies vs. Incorporeal Spirits


Unlike purely spectral beings, the divine orders were perceived as very real, structured entities, existing in a physical but perfected state:


  • They possessed weight and presence, exerting force and influence in their surroundings.

  • Their bodies were considered untouched by weakness, immune to sickness, aging, or decay.

  • Physical interactions were recorded between these beings and mortals, reinforcing their corporeal nature.


This is seen in various traditions where encounters with divine beings resulted in tangible effects—whether through physical combat, direct guidance, or overwhelming sensory experiences.


Encounters with Divine Beings as Terrifying Events


Rather than appearing as soft, gentle figures, most historical interactions with divine beings were intimidating and overwhelming:


  • Thrones were described as massive, interwoven celestial wheels, adorned with countless unblinking eyes, making their presence incomprehensible.

  • Seraphim carried a burning, purifying intensity, reducing anything unworthy to ash.

  • Cherubim, traditionally misrepresented, had hybrid forms—often depicted as sphinx-like guardians, enforcing strict protection of divine knowledge.

  • Powers, linked to storms and destruction, were regarded as towering entities responsible for elemental chaos.


Even Angels and Archangels, the only orders explicitly labeled as "angels," were not portrayed as mild figures. They served as divine soldiers, protectors, and enforcers, appearing with swords, shields, and commanding presences.


The Connection to Wights and Demonic Classifications


The overwhelming and fearsome nature of these beings aligns with their classification as Wights—a term encompassing all spiritual entities that physically interact with the world. Unlike Wights when associated with ghosts or wandering spirits, many have also been represented as having solid presence, often influencing nature, civilization, and war, but more from the factor the word originally was used to describe any living being.


Additionally, since only two of the Nine Orders (Angels and Archangels) are correctly identified as "angels," the remaining seven orders align with the original meaning of the term "demon." Historically, demons were not evil entities, but celestial figures of power, defined by the root words dae ("shine") and monos ("one"), signifying brilliant beings tied to celestial light and energy.


Thus, all Nine Orders fit within the broader classification of Wights, and most can be correctly understood as celestial demons rather than angels—restoring their original meanings before later distortions categorized demons exclusively as malevolent figures.

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